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    Posted: 12 September 2006 at 11:27pm

Dear beloved brethren in the Lord,

Its really a wonder to see how various false cults are spreading over the world. My friend has somehow been converted to Baha'ism.

How do we deal with such cults. How do we deal with these people who are trapped under the false cults.

I have limited knowledge as to how to deal with specially this cult of Baha'i. Can any enlighten me on these matters.

Thanks for your help, love and all encouragement. My exam went well by the grace of God, and because of all of your prayers.

May His name be glorified.

ur sis,

Tinka

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  Quote George P. Koshy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 September 2006 at 12:11am

Dear Tinka,

Your Mentor and Dr. Johnson C. Philip are better equipped to answer your question.

Shalom malekim!!!
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Thanks you Dr. Koshy for mentioning me. I will begin posting in this thread. Readers may please wait for a few posts before they being asking their questions, or making posts, lest the thread of thought is broken

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The first thing we should know, before we interact with them is, why are cults so attractive. With this in mind, I post several paragraphs below:

One questions that puzzles many people is, "why are the Cults so attractive". What they mean is that after all the Cults distort the truth and lead people into bondage. Thus why should man, who is a lover of freedom, be attracted to these groups. Further, once the cult-members experience the slavery there why don't more of them come out and join Bible-believing churches.  

The question assumes that man has a love for divine truth and freedom. While outwardly almost everyone pays lip service to these concepts, ultimately man loves neither God's truth nor divinely provided freedom. The human history is an adequate testimony to it. Much more authoritative that this testimony is the Bible, which also confirms that deep inside the heart humans are drawn more to error than to truth: "The light shineth in the darkness; and the darkness comprehendeth it not" John 1:5.  

Since False Cults are the expression of some sort or other of human rebellion against God, they are able to cater to all kinds of the needs of the rebellious mankind. This is the primary reason why the False Cults are so attractive in spite of their false doctrines and oppressive governments. Thus some of the reasons that make the Cults so attractive to people can be said to be the following:  


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1-Man's Rebellion Against God: Right from the moment of his fall, man has been characterized by rebellion. The murder of Abel, the unequal marriages of Genesis 6, the building of the tower, repeated murmuring of the Israelites, the eventual rejection of theocracy by Israel, the appetite and frequent relapse of Jews into idolatry, murder of prophets, and finally the outright rejection and murder of the Messiah Himself are a testimony to man's rebellion against God.  

Rebellion seems to intensity when everything is going on well or when there is an abundance of everything in life. This is seen in the lives of Joseph's brothers, Miriam's criticism of Moses, Eli's sons, Saul's first conquest, Absalom, Solomon, etc. It seems that man in his rebellion against God would accept anything except divinely inspired truth, specially when all is well.  

Since the false Cults lead people away from God in a small measure or large, there is scope in the maze of Cults for any person to find a group that corresponds with his level of rebellion.  

In the last ten years several prominent Protestant thinkers and writers have left their Evangelical churches to join the Roman Catholic church. Many of them have published lengthy justifications for this move, and an analysis of these testimonies immediately makes something obvious: most of them left the freedom of Evangelical churches and embraced Romish slavery because deep in their hearts they had been nurturing rebellion against the revealed truths of Bible !!  

Thus their defection from spiritual freedom to religious slavery was not because of doctrinal reasons, but because of man's rebellious nature against God. This nature abhors everything revealed in the Scriptures, and thus makes falsehood more attractive that truth. The same is the reason why many people find False Cults and isms very attractive: these movements and teachings have a great appeal to their rebellious minds.  

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2-Man's Love For Darkness: Though humans talk a lot about light and also about their need to embrace light over darkness, most of it is only philosophical eyewash. The basic human inclination is towards darkness, and all the philosophical speculation about light is actually a cover for their ultimate love for darkness.  

Thus when both light as well as darkness are available to people, it is not surprising that many of them voluntarily and aggressively choose darkness. They might use any number of ploys to justify their choice such as the caring attitude of people in the new groups, the selfishness and hypocrisy of the groups they abandoned, etc. Or they might laud the sophistication, the humanitarian activities, the influence, or any number of factors connected with the new group. Ultimately all of this is only an eyewash and self-justification for choosing evil over good.  

If a person joins a Cult because thy teach the Scriptures correctly, then the person should have the courage to say so. But very rarely only do people cite doctrinal correctness as the reason for joining a Cult because deep in their hearts they know that the Evangelical groups that they left was doctrinally more correct.  

The autobiography of many former Cultists also witnesses to the same fact. Most of the time that they were in the Cult they knew that they all were wrong, yet they did not leave immediately because great was the love for error or the hold of evil.  

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3-Ignorance Of What Is Significant: Man's perception of truth has been so much affected by his sin nature that his entire approach to right and wrong, truth and error, are imbalanced. Thus what he often considers important might be trivial things while what he considers as insignificant might be most important. The Cults know this human tendency, and thus they exaggerate what the humans consider as important.  

Thus tolerating all viewpoints has become an important consideration for many in our generation. In the light of the  

Scripture, the Evangelical churches do not consider all philosophies as equal. At the same time the New Age Movement (a Cult) views all philosophies and religions as equal. Thus many people from the Evangelical churches move to the New Age Movement because deep in their heart they want to say that all religions are the same, contrary to what the Evangelicals say.  

Many groups have gathered a large number of followers and made a big fortune by making health an important factor of spiritual life. Rather than trusting in God's sovereignty, these groups promise immediate health and even wealth if people adhere to the principles of these groups. Ignorance leads many people into thinking that these are the things of primary importance, and fall into the clutches of those Cults.  

There are others for whom emotional experience is more important than sober experience or thinking. Since emotional manipulation is very easy, many Cults lure these people by providing the ideal emotional atmosphere for them. Since emotionalism is just the opposite of balance, these people soon abandon the Scripture which instructs people to keep balance in their lives and thinking.  

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Dr Johnson C. Philip, dear brother,

Would you agree that cults put someone or something, usually the former, between themselves and God, instead of recognising the "One Mediator"? The deadly undercurrent is therefore an inference that the work of Christ needs something added to it, and is not complete in itself as a basis for eternal salvation. We see that, full blown in the Roman church, where ultimately all truth, doctrine and practise must be sanctioned or authorised by the Pope. The insidious nature of this is being demonstrated in my own country, the United Kingdom, at present. Our government is passing laws, for instance, that promote and encourage open homosexuality. Who is most vocal in opposition to this? Sadly, one has to acknowledge that it is the Church of Rome. The very authority with which Roman bishops denounce this obvious evil seduces many persons with a strong and even devout moral rectitude into overlooking the basically wrong principles of the Church of Rome. They are deceived by the lack of protest from other christian denominations which are asleep in the face of such danger.

In other cults there is usually some authoritative figure whose personality and teaching is pre-eminent, and devotion to that person is a measure of the individual's standing. It can of course, in some instances be devotion to a central theme or doctrine, but my observation is that usually a person or hierarchy is behind the scenes and the motive is materialistic.

We can trace all this back to Satan, who sought to put himself between the creature and creator by the insidious question,"Has God said...?" By this approach he sought to deceive man and substitute himself as the source of authority in man's existence.

Your comments on this would be welcome.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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  Quote drjcp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 September 2006 at 4:21am
Would you agree that cults put someone or something, usually the former, between themselves and God, instead of recognising the "One Mediator"?


Definitely !! In fact I agrre with the entire post you made.

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  Quote doghter_of_zion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 September 2006 at 9:18pm

Dear bro Johnson,

your posting was very enlightning. Thanks so much. this we can understand as the Holy Spirit of God enables us to understand, but the people who are trapped in these cults, how are they supposed to come out of it.

Regarding Baha'ism, can you teach me something.

bro John's posting also revealed to me a very significant point. Indeed its very true.

Is prajapati, R.C., etc. a cult also?

How do you distinguish false religion and cult?

I once again convey ot you my heart filled gratitude. I really never knew or lokked at these from these angles.

God bless u n ur ministry,

Tinka

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