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  Quote drjcp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 July 2007 at 7:13pm
<<Again, regardless of what we feel about the rightness or wrongness of this, we have to obey the law of the land.>>

Very right. One mistake However: Old songs are not exempted from copyright. Copyright extends even to "old" songs up to 75 years after the death of the composer

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  Quote Joy Boy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2007 at 12:57pm

Originally posted by drjcp

<<Again, regardless of what we feel about the rightness or wrongness of this, we have to obey the law of the land.>>

Very right. One mistake However: Old songs are not exempted from copyright. Copyright extends even to "old" songs up to 75 years after the death of the composer

Johnson C. Philip

 

What I was referring to, with old songs, is that some of today's artists make some changes to old songs, and then their music publisher re-copyrights the song, but only the changes that they make. 

For example, "When I survey" by Isaac watts is not copyrighted.  However, "The wonderful Cross" recorded and amended by Chris Tomlin is.

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  Quote paulsmathew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2008 at 2:31pm
hello brothers..
i have myself wondered many times about the copyright..
one thing that comes to my mind is the software called" e-sword". how that briother has taken pains to give a gift to all believers..
i do not say that we should not charge for things for which we have spent and which is means of our livlihood. but what bothers me so much is when christian authors and composers charge exuberant amounts for their works..
i wonder many times whether they do use these talents for the glory of God or for building their own financial status.
no longer we find the principle that freely you recieved freely give..
if only Our lord would have charged for the scripture that His Spirit gave to the believers.
let me take an example..
if i want to buy a copy of the n i v bible from zondervan corporation.. i just cannot think of that unless i have a good amount in my pocket..
it only makes me think that even the Lord's name and His work has been turned into a business..
the very motive of translating it into a readable form becomes questionable when it is far from the reach of the people who want to read it.. within a amount that is reasonable or even approachable..
it may not be so for believers in usa or west or affluent people anywhere but definitely people like me in the third world countries have to think twice or even thrice before we think of buying them here in our country.
so now these materials be it niv bible or anything else whether cd dvd etc only becomes the possession of the affluent rather than the whole humanity especially the Bible..
it is this spirit that really bothers me when the believing groups lay stress and so much stress on the issue of copyright and forget that the amonut that they charge have to be in line with the principles of God's righteous demands.
here i also would like to say that some of the works really need lot of resources and our rightfully priced high.
but thats not true for all.
also one perosnal note and belief that if we do God's work in His time and for His glory He will never make our works to lack..
when we humanly think of resources and needs they are of course a lot and genuine many times but if we surrender it completely to God's hand
He can still be our provider(jehovah jireh) so  its only my prayer whatever christian work we produce, lets produce it with this mindset that theLord will provide rather than starting it off with a commercial mindset and start thinking of pricing and costing at the very outset in our limited human understanding.. then i guess many of these high priced things will be within the reach of the common believer as well.
thanks..
P.S. the reference to zondervan or niv is not to defame them. do forgive if its hurtful..
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  Quote drjcp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2008 at 5:00pm
Dear Brother, Zondervan and others make profit on some items but lose money on many other items. Thus the average money they make cannot be faulted.

On the other hand, the persons who have made Online Bible (CD based) and ESword Bible (CD based) are to be highly appreciated.

Do you know that all my English books are available totally FREE in PDF format. They are being posted at www.BrethrenAssembly.Com Look at the top menu for free ebooks. I get about 30,000 downloads or 3.6 lakh downloads per year.
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  Quote paulsmathew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2008 at 11:32am
thanks brother jcp for that clarification..
i didn't know thier other activities but its still a prayer that they do something to bring the price of the bible a bit down.. and make this arrangements on other things they apart from the bible..
and i appreciate your work and all the resources that you have given freely to all of us.. i still have got to make use of it..
and it my prayer that God will indeed proove Himself faithful to meet all your needs for all the work you do freely.. and i believe you yourself will be having lots of similar experiences..
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  Quote drjcp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2008 at 11:48am
Dear Brother Paul

when two massive CD-based Bibles are already available, then it does not make a difference if a third one is selling it at any price. I mean, when our needs are adequately met, we need not worry about a publisher who seems to sell at a high price because it does not interfere wit out ability to use good resources which are already available.

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  Quote George P. Koshy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2008 at 6:07pm
Dear Paul S. Mathew,
 
It is true that the price of the bible is high, but is it in comparison to other books?  Many of us do not find it difficult to buy a $3,000 TV when a $1,000 one is available.  Many of us do not find it difficult to buy a $500,000 house when a $200,000 is available and that will meet our needs.  Some may even take an 'interest only' loan to buy a high priced house.
 
It is our priorities that dictate the cost of anything that we want to buy.  It comes from within and not from without.
 
Having wrote this, I also think it will be good to have a low priced Bible.  We could buy many kinds of Bibles for less than $10.  There are many versions and many levels of prices in that range.  KJV Pew Bible is one of them.  Paperback Bbile is another.  These may not be leather bound and printed in India Paper or other costly papers.
 
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  Quote paulsmathew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2008 at 5:31pm
yes brother,
i know what you are meaning. i'm not bringing the issue of t.v. and other things of course they are matter of priority.
but i'm speaking of an average believer for whom tv and others are also out of reach. i'm not talking about many of us who are priveleged to have these luxuries..
and coming to bro jcp your comment,l have e_sword with me.. it doesnt have the niv.
online bible i have only used it when i'm on the net. i dont know whether it is available without being on the ent.
next thing when we say about these things we are  assuming that all believers have net access and computers etc to view these materials..
i'm trying to bring to the notice so many people who do not have any of these to make use of the aforsaid media.
print media is still the most widely available form of media.. hence the use of the said bible softwares is limited..
coming on to the fact that bibles cost 10$ .. yes that is what i said is costly when i wrote my first comment..
10$ to an american or rich is nothin but for a poor believer it is a lot..
and to print a better readble version without it being possible for the commen people have access to it.. defeats the purpose of making it available to all ..
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  Quote drjcp Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 January 2008 at 6:20pm
Dear Brother,

NIV is not available free on any CD Bible. That is because NIV was translation was sponsored by a commercial company (not by any charitable trust) and they have copyrighted it. Consequently, a royalty has to be paid to them for each CD and each copy of the NIV Bible in any form.

There is nothing wrong with this. The millions needed to pay the scholars has to be recovered in some way or another.

Johnson C. Philip

PS: What is more, NIV is not an accurate translation, so if it is not available to a Bible student, he does not lose much !!
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  Quote paulsmathew Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2008 at 7:06pm

yes brother i know that is what i'm saying all this while that there has been commercialisation of what is called BIBLE .

many other bibles have been made.. this is not the only one to be written that its price alone is that high... that is what i sadi the motives of writing are important..

its another issue that it has many errors.. even KJV is not fully accurate..
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