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Topic: What is Apostasy?
Posted By: Jesus_boy
Subject: What is Apostasy?
Date Posted: 28 July 2005 at 1:48am

Concerning Salvation there arises a lot of Doubts in the Minds of the youths.Many do Belive that Salvation cannot be lost and thats what the word of God says clearly in Romans 8:31-39,Heb 9:5 and so on .And I do belive so.But some spiritual books and commentaries says that salvation can be rejected by a beliver.And there is a sin called Apostasy which cannot be Forgiven as said in Heb 10:25-29;and Heb 6:4-6;Can any one please Explain about this in Light of the Word of God?

 

 

 



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Posted By: Blessing
Date Posted: 31 July 2005 at 1:27am

 

APOSTASY , is  from the Greek word   "apostasia" , meaning   withdrawl   or   defection  .

Its the defiant falling away from Christianity by someone who had been a converted member of the faith.

Apostasy isn't a simple matter of sin by human weakness . But  its  deliberate . 

An  unrepentant  rejection  of  the  Truth   by  someone   who   became  fully   aware   of  it !!

 


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Posted By: sambudhanoor
Date Posted: 31 July 2005 at 2:26am

Dear Jesus Boy

 

Apostasy means falling away from faith or renouncing of faith.

 

Heb 6:4-6  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,   and have tasted the good Word of God and the powers of the world to come,   and who have fallen away; it is impossible, I say, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify the Son of God afresh to themselves and put Him to an open shame.

 

This shows that how far a person can go as religiously, and fall away from this belief and perish forever. The Holy Spirit convinces concerning sin, righteousness and judgement, to human beings, by the word of God, (by preaching by printed materials etc.) thus the person will get enlightened (illuminated) and have some knowledge about this saving grace. Heavenly gift is the Holy Spirit, when hearing the Gospel he taste and become partaker of Holy Spirit, and fall away from this position and reject it. They are not at all the true believers, in such persons case it is impossible to renew them again to repentance.

 

Mat 13:19-22  When anyone hears the Word of the kingdom and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and catches away that which was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown by the wayside.   But that which was sown on the stony places is this: he who hears the Word and immediately receives it with joy.   But he has no root in himself, and is temporary. For when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the Word, he immediately stumbles.   And that sown into the thorns is this: he who hears the Word; and the anxiety of this world, and the deceit of riches, choke the Word, and he becomes unfruitful.

 

But a true believer  accept Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour by faith and become children of God, his/her salvation will never perish or turn away from his/her faith.

(Please see the subject security of salvation/saved ones in general forum).

 

Joh 10:27-29  My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.   And I give to them eternal life, and they shall never ever perish, and not anyone shall pluck them out of My hand.   My Father who gave them to me is greater than all, and no one is able to pluck them out of My Father's hand.

 



Posted By: sambudhanoor
Date Posted: 01 August 2005 at 7:33am

Dear Jesus Boy

 

Heb 10:26-29  For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,   but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.  He who despised Moses' Law died without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses.   Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy of punishment, the one who has trampled the Son of God, and who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

 

 Sin willfully means total rejection, apostasy, after received the knowledge of truth.

They receive the knowledge of truth, the Word of God, the Gospel and reject it.

They receive this knowledge in their head (brain) not accept it in heart.

They reject the Jesus Christ the only Saviour, the only way to the God the Father.

They insult, resist  the Holy Spirit, the only sanctifier.

They reject the word of God, Gospel, the only way of Salvation.

 

Great men like Mahatma Gandhi, Swami Vivekanandan and others are made good statement about our Lord Jesus Christ. Swami Vivekanadan said that if he was living in the time of Jesus Christ, he might have washed his feet by the blood of his heart.  These men were received the knowledge of truth, about Christ in their head and making these statements, but they never received him by faith in their heart.

 

The adversary is satan, for him there is a fiery indignation (Hell), one who reject the saving grace, the Gospel have the fiery indignation.

 

Whereas, the true believers are the people who accept Jesus Christ as his personal Saviour by faith in their heart, thus become the Children of God, their Salvation is eternal.

 

Joh 3:16  For God so loved the world that He gave His only-begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

 

Joh 6:39  And this is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all which He has given Me I should lose nothing but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

 



Posted By: Jesus_boy
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 1:32am

Dear Uncle ,

 Thanks for your reply and thanking you for clearing my doubts about Apostasy.But I have some more doubts regarding Heb 10:26-29.   

Heb 10:26-29  For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,   but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.  He who despised Moses' Law died without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses.   Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy of punishment, the one who has trampled the Son of God, and who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Now here in Hebrews verses 19 to 25 were speaking about "A call to Perserve" and writer was including himself in these verses as we can see in the usage of 'Let us', and 'We' a Lot from 19 to 25 and then comes verse 26 beginning with "For If We" and that includes the Brothers in Christ and the Writer who are Born Again.

And My Second point is that in Verse 26.,the Knowledge of Truth  is Salvation itself as seen in 1 Timothy 2:4.

I Timothy 2 :4."Who wants all men to be Saved and to come to the Knowledge of Truth. "

Read the above verses(I Timothy 2 :1-3) to get a better Idea of this verse.So isn't  the Knowledge of Truth Recived after we have born again? So only a saved Person can know the Knowledge of Truth as seen in the verse.

 



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Posted By: sambudhanoor
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 11:35pm

Dear Jesus Boy

 

Heb 10: 19-25 is a separate section and 26-29 is separate section, this what I believe.

 

 We see Heb 10: 26 Starts with "For if We" that means

Mat 7:22-23  Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your name, and through Your name throw out demons, and through Your name do many wonderful works?   And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!

 

There are lot of people amongst the believers, there are fake ones and true believers, it may difficult to distinguish, but our Lord will separate them. Like the fake currency notes amongst the original one.

 

When we can understand one is a fake, when he makes the apostasy, reject the faith.


There are lot of examples in our assemblies, some will come and have fellowship, they act as genuine ones, but certain time they reject it and turn back.

As we are going to share the Gospel, some persons agree whatever we say, even they confess with their mouth and come and have fellowship with us, and after sometime they turn back and go to their old way of life, this is apostasy, in such persons case, there is no more sacrifice for sin, they are the fake ones.

 

Contd………2

 



Posted By: sambudhanoor
Date Posted: 02 August 2005 at 11:39pm

For some persons case they will not makes any apostasy, they stay amongst us, we cannot identify them, but our Lord will separate them in his times.

 

Mat 13:24-30  He put out another parable to them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field.   But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed darnel among the wheat and went his way.   But when the blade had sprung up and had produced fruit, then the darnel also appeared.   So the servants of the householder came and said to him, Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? Then where have the darnel come from?   He said to them, An enemy has done this. The servants said to him, Then do you want us to go and gather them up?   But he said, No, lest while you gather up the darnel you also root up the wheat with them.   Let both grow together until the harvest. And in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, First gather together the darnel and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my granary.

 

When we come to 1 Timothy 2:1-4,  "be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."

 

Here the person be saved thus come to the knowledge of truth,( here  the salvation is happened because he accept it in his heart), whereas in John  10: 26 after received the knowledge of truth, "willfully sin" = apostasy (here salvation is not happened because he accept it as knowledge in his head), that is why he/she is making the apostasy. Gospel is the knowledge of truth, whoever hear the gospel need to be accepted in his heart.

 

Who can do the following.

1.      the one who has trampled the Son of God

2.      who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy

          thing,

3.      has insulted the Spirit of grace?

 

Of course this can do by an unbeliever or a fake believer.

 

True believer cannot do this because he/she has been sealed by the Holy Spirit, and guided by the Holy spirit, his/her salvation is secured in Heavenly Father's hand.

 

I request you to please printed-out the points with references of subject Security of Salvation in General Forum and prayerfully meditate the reference from the Bible, the Holy Spirit will reveal you so many things, remove all your doubts and give you the Assurance of Salvation and Iternal Security of Salvation.

 

God Bless you.

 



Posted By: doghter_of_zion
Date Posted: 07 June 2006 at 8:16pm

Dear uncle sambudhanoor,

Heb 10:26-29  For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,   but a certain fearful looking for judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.  He who despised Moses' Law died without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses.   Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy of punishment, the one who has trampled the Son of God, and who has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

i quoted what you had said.

first let me tell you that i'm much less than you in knowledge, age, everything. so i may be wrong. if so plz forgive me.

Our wonderful Lord had died for our sins, when we were all against Him. His death were after which of our sins?..All. He died before we were born, so for all our future sins. He died for all sins past, present and future. Apostasy can not be forgiven, tue enough, as that person has deliberately rejected God's grace, so can't enjoy the gift that God had so lovingly given.

I don't think its a proper statement that after receiving knowledge... we should specify that given that "that person was not born again, or willfully rejected Christ".

Otherwise it means that after being born again if we sin, then there is no more remission of sin and we end up being condemned, as the Bible teaches otherwise.

well my language seems a bit confusing, but i hope i could make you understand what i wanted to say.

thanks for your patience,

God bless u



Posted By: sambudhanoor
Date Posted: 08 June 2006 at 11:04pm

Dear doghter_of_zion

“Heb 10:26  For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,”

“Hebrew 10 26 itself saying that after we have received the knowledge of the truth”

That means after hearing the gospel and rejecting it without accepting in heart.

Rom 10:14  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Salvation is eternal it is secured in Almighty God’s hand.

 

God Bless you.



Posted By: doghter_of_zion
Date Posted: 13 June 2006 at 9:37pm

Dear unc,

I know a person, who was born in a Christian family, he knew all about Christ, but had become an aethiest, rejecting Christ. Later on in his life, he repented, and is now a pastor. He is sure that he is saved,and that Gid is able to forgive all sins if any is willing to accept Him as his Savior. So I've also heard of many other Christians. What can you say to that? Hadn't they comitted apostacy before in life, later some became pillars of faith?

Well, this is a case thats creating a troublefor me, as many of our assembly members are divided in their outlook. I can't understand.

thanks for your prompt reply, and sory for answering late.

God bless you,

 



Posted By: sambudhanoor
Date Posted: 15 June 2006 at 4:43pm

Dear Sister in Christ doghter_of_zion

 

Loving greetings to you in the precious Name of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

Whoever come to Jesus Christ with the repented heart and confess his sins he will be saved, even if he was a person of apostasy. Only condition for salvation we can see from the scripture is  “ONE WHO BELIEVE”.

 

Joh 3:36  He who believes on the Son has everlasting life, and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides upon him.

 

Joh 5:24  Truly, truly, I say to you, He who hears My Word and believes on Him who sent Me has everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation, but has passed from death to life.

 

Heb: 10-26-29 is mentioning about a person who is under the time of Apostasy.

 

As you said an atheist can become a true believer and pillar of faith, no doubt about that.

 

Rom 10:9-11  because if thou shalt confess with thy mouth Jesus as Lord, and shalt believe in thy heart that God raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved: for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be put to shame.

 

God Bless you.



Posted By: doghter_of_zion
Date Posted: 17 June 2006 at 1:55am

Dear bro in Christ,

thank you for your answer, however I've something else that came to my mind yesterday, which I shall write in my next post.

plz bear with me till then,

God bless u



Posted By: doghter_of_zion
Date Posted: 17 June 2006 at 6:47pm

Dear unc & bro in Christ,

I have posted my answer in the General forum topic: are we of the same mind. I would appreciate if you take a look at it, and give your comments.

thanks for helping me out.

God bless u,

Tinka



Posted By: davidchase
Date Posted: 11 April 2008 at 6:43pm
Dear Brother Sambhudhanoor,
This passage raises a difficult issue.
Apostacy is wilful rejection of Christ (denying that Christ is the saviour after having once accepted Him as the saviour) - for which one has to actually have recieved Christ in the beginning.
I submit that an unbeliever cannot wilfully reject Christ - how can he, if he has not recieved Him in the first place? Unbelievers are people who either by ignorance or by conscious choice have rejected Christ, and they are blinded (not enlightened), have not tasted of the heavenly gift or were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, have not tasted the good word of God and the powers of the world to come. It doesn't matter whether he is a fake believer or a head-knowledge believer who thinks he is a believer - they are both unbelievers, and cannot turn apostates!
On the other hand, a believer is enlightened, has tasted of the heavenly gift and was made partaker of the HOly Ghost, tasted the good word of God and the powers of the world to come. 
An apostate is one who was once enlightened and has fallen away. needs renewal again unto repentance -which is impossible according to the text in question.
I believe only a believer can reject Christ in the sense of the meaning of the term 'apostate'.  
warm christian greetings
David Chase
 


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Posted By: sambudhanoor
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 7:01pm

Dear Bro. David Chase

 

Salvation/Eternal Life  is not earned by any work of the Human being, rather it is purely by God’s Grace alone, by the Grace of God we are getting ability to put our faith in our Lord and it will not loose by the work of a Human (Or God will not allow a true believer to reject the Eternal life he receives, it is Eternal and Secured in the Almighty God’s hand).

 

Eph 2:8 -9 For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God,   not of works, lest anyone should boast.

 

Rom 11:6  But if by grace, then it is no more of works; otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it is of works, then it is no more of grace; otherwise work is no more work.

 

Our Salvation is secured in our Lord’s Hand and in the Hand of God the Father:

 

Joh 10:27  My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

Joh 10:28  And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

Joh 10:29  My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.

 

I request you please read the subject Security of Salvation/Saved one’s in the General forum which can seen in the following thread:

 

http://www.brethren.in/forum_new/forum_posts.asp?TID=4&PN=1 - http://www.brethren.in/forum_new/forum_posts.asp?TID=4&PN=1

 

there are 5 pages.

 

From your above posting I understand that a believer has the freedom to reject the Eternal Life which he receives (Apostasy). What is the meaning of Eternal Life, if a believer can reject it as per his will, it cannot be said that it is Eternal Life rather it is Temporary Life, which has no basis in the Word of God.

 

Inheritance of Eternal Life if permanent and the person who receives is sealed by the Holy Spirit

 

Joh 3:16  For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

 

When one person put his faith in our Lord Jesus Christ he/she receive the Eternal Redemption.

 

Yours in Christ.



Posted By: davidchase
Date Posted: 12 April 2008 at 8:17pm
Dear Brother Sambudhanoor,
I notice that you have chosen to go on to the teaching on the security of salvation without commenting on the scriptural portion in question which talks about apostasy. The teaching on the subject of security of salvation is essential, but I was purely dealing with the question of apostasy in Hebrews 6:4-6. I look forward to your comments on what I have submitted on that issue.
warm christian greetings
David Chase

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Posted By: John Miller
Date Posted: 13 April 2008 at 9:55pm
Dear brethren,

My understanding of one who is apostate is that having once professed to be a Christian and confessed the name of Christ, he subsequently publicly renounces the Christian faith. I would also understand that such a one had never truly received Christ in spite of what he may have professed.

Profession is one thing. Possession is something else.

Your brother in Christ,

John

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Posted By: sambudhanoor
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 12:10pm

Dear Bro. John Miller

 

Thank you for the comments, the same is my opinion also, God Bless you.

 
Yours in Christ.



Posted By: sambudhanoor
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 12:13pm

Dear Bro. David Chase

 

In the subject Security of Salvation, it has been produced a lot of Scriptural words to supports it. These Scriptural Words are the assurance of our Eternal Salvation and it never loose then, the question of apostasy by the recipient (true believer) never arise because it has been kept by our Almighty God, if the human beings are the custodian it might have loosed.

 

When one who put faith in Lord Jesus Christ he/she receives the Eternal Salvation/Eternal Inheritance/Eternal Redemption/Everlasting/Eternal Life etc.

 

Heb 5:9  And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,

 

Heb 9:15  And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

 

Heb 9:12  Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

 

Joh 5:24  "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

 

Joh 10:27  My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.

Joh 10:28  And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

 

Contd………..



Posted By: sambudhanoor
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 12:16pm

When coming to the subject in discussion Hebrew 6: 4-6, I had been very well explained it with the support of Scriptural Words in the first page and I have nothing more to add in that.

 

But as a reference only I am posting some biblical scholars writing.

 

Following are the Comments from William Macdonald on Hebrew 6: 4-6

 

Hebrew 6:4   We come now to the heart of the warning against apostasy. It applies to a class of people whom it is impossible to restore again to repentance. Apparently these people had once repented (though no mention is made of their faith in Christ). Now it is clearly stated that a renewed repentance is impossible.

Who are these people? The answer is given in verses 4 and 5. In examining the great privileges which they enjoyed, it should be noticed that all these things could be true of the unsaved. It is never clearly stated that they had been born again. Neither is any mention made of such essentials as saving faith, redemption by His blood, or eternal life.

They had once been enlightened. They had heard the gospel of the grace of God. They were not in darkness concerning the way of salvation. Judas Iscariot had been enlightened but he rejected the light.

They tasted the heavenly gift. The Lord Jesus is the heavenly Gift. They had tasted of Him but had never received Him by a definite act of faith. It is possible to taste without eating or drinking. When men offered wine mixed with gall to Jesus on the cross, He tasted it but He would not drink it (Mat_27:34). It is not enough to taste Christ; unless we eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, that is, unless we truly receive Him as Lord and Savior, we have no life in us (Joh_6:53).

They had become partakers of the Holy Spirit. Before we jump to the conclusion that this necessarily implies conversion, we should remember that the Holy Spirit carries on a pre-conversion ministry in men's lives. He sanctifies unbelievers (1Co_7:14), putting them in a position of external privilege. He convicts unbelievers of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment (Joh_16:8). He leads men to repentance and points them to Christ as their only hope. Men may thus partake of the Holy Spirit's benefits without being indwelt by Him.

Hebrew 6:5   They had tasted the good word of God. As they heard the gospel preached, they were strangely moved and drawn to it. They were like the seed that fell on rocky ground; they heard the word and immediately received it with joy, but they had no root in themselves. They endured for a while, but when tribulation or persecution arose on account of the word, they promptly fell away (Mat_13:20-21).

They had tasted the powers of the age to come. Powers here means “miracles.” The age to come is the Millennial Age, the coming era of peace and prosperity when Christ will reign over the earth for one thousand years. The miracles which accompanied the preaching of the gospel in the early days of the church (Heb_2:4) were a foretaste of signs and wonders which will be performed in Christ's kingdom. These people had witnessed these miracles in the first century, in fact, they might have participated in them. Take, for instance, the miracles of the loaves and fishes. After Jesus had fed the five thousand, the people followed Him to the other side of the sea. The Savior realized that, though they had tasted a miracle, they did not really believe in Him. He said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled” (Joh_6:26).

Hebrew 6:6   If they fall away, after enjoying the privileges just enumerated, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance. They have committed the sin of apostasy. They have reached the place where the lights go out on the way to hell.

The enormous guilt of apostates is indicated in the words since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame (v. 6b). This signifies a deliberate, malicious spurning of Christ, not just a careless disregard of Him. It indicates a positive betrayal of Him, a joining of forces against Him, and a ridiculing of His Person and work.

 

Comments from Scofield reference Notes:

Heb 6:4 -8

 

impossible

 

(Heb_6:4-8) presents the case of Jewish professed believers who halt short of faith in Christ after advancing to the very threshold of salvation, even "going along with" the Holy Spirit in His work of enlightenment and conviction. (Joh_16:8-10). It is not said that they had faith. This supposed person is like the spies at Kadesh-barnea (Deu_1:19-26) who saw the land and had the very fruit of it in their hands, and yet turned back.”(End of Quote).

 

Yours in Christ

Samkutty N. George.



Posted By: davidchase
Date Posted: 14 April 2008 at 2:51pm
Dear Brother Sambudhanoor and others,
thanks for your time and effort. I appreciate, understand and feel fully assured personally by these beautiful words from the bible. Thank you once again.
warm christian greetings
David Chase 


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Posted By: swaggy
Date Posted: 25 August 2011 at 8:50am
Apostasy  means a defiance of an established system or authority; a rebellion; an abandonment or breach of faith.” In the first-century world, apostasy was a technical term for political revolt or defection. And just like in the first century, apostasy threatens the Body of Christ today.

God bless everyone.




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